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26th-Feb-2011 10:37 pm
OK, I've decided I need to start blogging again to empty my head. Please excuse my performance in this one. It's going to take me a while to get "back to form". However, I must deal with this stuff as my ponderings of it directly impact what will come up next.

I’ve been reading the news (and watching it) for the past week in regards to the situation going on in Wisconsin and other places in the US regarding unions. For me, it’s a combination of issues. It’s not as simple as some people are trying to make it. It includes (but isn’t limited to) the following:


  • Are the protests in WI similar to those in Cairo?

  • A governor is attempting to cut costs to help a state’s budget.

  • Do public unions have too much power?


Here is a Daily Show clip that covers this stuff (and more) pretty well. Yes, sarcasm abounds.



Do all these different issues connect? Sure as heck they do. Unfortunately trying to deal with them as a lump sum doesn’t get anything done. It’s an attempt to take care of things simply that are complex. It’s not going to work.

Are the protests in WI similar to those in Cairo?
Now, I commented on Facebook last that WI and Cairo were not similar. You can see that The Daily Show pretty much feels the same (5:30 on the above video). It’s not the same, it’s not even close. Regardless of which “side” you’re on in the debate please don’t compare it to people fighting for democracy in their nation. If you think they’re the same, you’re an idiot.

A governor is attempting to cut costs to help a state’s budget.
Scott Walker was just recently elected to office, as was a Republican majority (in WI). I gotta say there is a part of me that wants to say, “Shut up constituents, you made your bed and now you gotta lie in it.” You do realize that right now your collective (pun intended) asses are being protected by the same party that YOU chose to get rid of, right? And the best protection they can provide you with…is running away. This isn’t civil discussion. Sure, it’s not violent rhetoric, either. However, when a government (state or federal) has people whose best argument of opposition is, “Na, na, na-na, na! You can’t make me!”…I’m thinking you’ve got many more problems coming down the line. Oh, and don’t tell me that it’s the only way things are going to get done. You don’t want the changes rammed down your throat? Well, there were a lot of people that didn’t want the recent health care changes rammed down their throat, and the Democrats did just that, because they had the number. Don’t get all hypocritical on me now people.

Do public unions have too much power?
Do public unions have too much power? Well, that’s a tough one. I see benefits and negatives regarding unions in general. There is a bit of a problem with what I am seeing in a specific argument though, and that’s people saying that their problem isn’t with unions, it’s with PUBLIC unions. They’re fine with private unions. The issue with public unions for them is that those unions (in their minds) use their taxes. The thing is the same pretty much applies to private unions.

If private unions are able to obtain higher wages for their members then the prices of something likely has to go up (services or products). Just because you aren’t TOLD it happens doesn’t mean it doesn’t. It does. That’s a fact. Do some reading on why some jobs are heading to other countries. You won’t have to dig long.

Some stores/companies have unions and some of what they get for their members impacts the prices of what those stores/companies produce/sell. For anyone to say otherwise is ignorance at best, avoidance of reality at worst. So, if you make it about your money as opposed to specifically your taxes (which is your money), it’s pretty much the same thing when you stop and actually look. But, people don’t want to have to do that. That takes time and energy (and thinking, which hurts for some). I could deal more with people disliking unions as a whole. The idea that only public unions are hurting the government’s finances or their personal pocket book is crap.

This financial situation has been brewing for a while. It’s gone across administrations. We’re in trouble financially as a country, some parts more than others. People made the choices they did during the last election to put people into places to make things “right”. Those elected are doing what they’re doing in order to accomplish that. If you think they’re going too far, then by all means say something. However, make sure you stay on target. Keep your focus. Make sure people hear the specifics. Don’t do things that will result in people questioning your motives. If you do that you’ll be demonized after you get caught doing something stupid. Like this (4:30 forward is what I’m talking about):



Yes, this plays in too. Unfortunately, it’s once again another issue that affects the larger one.
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Comments 
27th-Feb-2011 09:06 am (UTC)
I can't see the second video ("content is unavailable, please try again later."). But I definitely agree with the first video. People can be quite obtuse to the suffering of others at times. Both issues are important in their own way, but saying that they are fundamentally the same is really overhyping the WI situation and really disrespecting the Egyptian situation.

Although, I don't really agree with the "make your bed, now lie in it," sentiment. There are a few reasons:

First, while a majority did vote for that governor, that doesn't mean that everyone did. Quite a lot of people didn't vote for him, and making an all-inclusive statement like that isn't fair. For example: I didn't vote for Bush, and he did a lot of things that I wasn't proud of. So it's like saying that I helped put Bush in office (how? I didn't.), so it's a problem that I brought on myself.

Of course, one could always say that I could have ran for office myself, or campaigned against him, or raised money to fight him, and the fact that I am only one person doesn't make it an excuse, since one person CAN make a difference. True, they can. But while I care about what happens in America, I choose to leave politics to the politicians while I work toward other goals. But it doesn't mean that I will always agree with them. I'm not sure if this makes sense. Tell me if I'm just pointlessly rambling! I am losing my english ability bit by bit, I swear!

Anyways. Second, like I said, even if I had voted for this guy, to my knowledge he didn't say that the budget cuts were going to come from schools. (correct me if I'm wrong!) Maybe I liked enough of his promises to prefer him over the other guy, but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with his ideas.

Just my two cents. Or more like 2 yen or something ^^ Your rants are always so interesting to read. Until I saw the first clip there I had forgotten how funny TDS show is. I think I will add it to my daily download list from now on. ^^ I wish that there was a show like this in Japan!
1st-Mar-2011 03:15 am (UTC)
Well, as I said, a part of me feels like that, not all of me. The thing is that whether or not a person voted someone into office they are still the representative that is in office, so unless they do something incredibly heinous that is who they have to deal with. Some people seem to have this thought that they can rewrite history. They got pissed at the Democrats so they put in Republicans, when they could have actually fought to put NEW Democrats in. I'm not saying it would have been better, but trading out one party for the other just to change the power holders ends up with situations like this. It's the whole, "But we didn't know!" Right, because you didn't freaking ask. That's what pisses me off.

The thing is that it doesn't have to do with ONE person disliking the elected official. If we start fighting battles like that we end up...well, where we are. A bunch of childish bitchers crying about things we can't change. I didn't like a lot of stuff Bush did either, but the reality was he was President and I respect the office even if I don't agree with the choices of the individual in it. We don't do that well anymore and it makes our country look like a bunch of uncivil crybabies.

At what point does it go too far? At what point do the teachers who were not teaching get reamed for not teaching? Is everybody allowed to not do their job just because they're pissed? People aren't discussing, they're reacting. The reality is that the Democrats that fled can go back to the state, then the Republicans will make their move and if the majority of WI citizens don't like what they do then they can vote all of them out of office based on the idea that putting others in to restore the powers of their unions will come to fruition.

Walker tried to talk before, the unions said, "Fine, fire people." He said, "OK, I will." Then they said, "Wait, we'll make the adjustments you want." Then he said, "Well, I want this too." And they said, "That's too much." He said, "Well, then I'll have to fire people." Then they said, "We're not cool with that." So, the union was fine with people getting fired when the union wasn't in danger, but now that the union is in danger, they aren't cool with it. Both sides (at that level) are asses.

Again, a complex situation. Just changing parties doesn't fix problems, it's just changes the people in the seats. Then you gotta deal with THEIR solutions.

Try the second link again. I just checked and it's working. It includes a bit about the unions changing their minds.
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